Well this latest LE Quest (Romantic Retreat) calls the Village the Lost Vilage. At least, I'm assuming it's talking about the Village in general. Not just some stupid place called the Lost Village in the Village. LoL
Okay, my understanding is:
Island Vacation Portal leads to Sandy Beach, which is located in the Sandy Forest. Haunted/Nightmare Portal leads to Spook Row, which is located in the Spooky Woods. And Unnamed Portal (at least I can't find a Name) leads to Snowy Hills which is located in the Snowy Forest.
For simplicity's sake, we'll be using Sandy Forest (or Sandy Beach) Portal, Snowy Forest (or Hills) Portal, and Spooky Woods (or Spook Row) Portal, each of which leads to the Location of same name. So it will just be Location Portal which leads to Location. Make sense?
For the main Location, I'd say Deep Forest instead of Dark Forest, because Dark can be confused with Spooky thematically. And as with the others, the Lost Village is located in the Deep Forest. Lost Village is the in-game name, if you recall the main point in the beginning of the game seems to be recovering and restoring the various ruins from the Lionheart era. Since we have found it, and are currently residents or whatever, we can easily refer to it as the Village though. Like in Westbound, it's the Lost Canyon, but it's also ___'s Town. So Town works fine for a name there. Make sense?
First of all, I didn't realize "spook" was that old. LoL I thought it originated in WWII. Learn something new everyday!
Island Vacation Portal > Sandy Beach > Sandy Forest
Haunted Portal > Spook Row > Spooky Woods (Haunted makes more sense with the ghosts and all)
How about Snowy? or Winter? Portal > Snowy Hills > Snowy Forest
Deep Forest > Lost Village or Village for short
That all sounds good to me. Make a final decision about the Unnamed Portal (we can't just leave it unnamed.. that will drive everybody.. including me.. crazy)
And, yes, makes perfect sense about Lost Canyon at first until you discover it and start building, which is immediate in the game, thus becoming Town or Canyon. Lost Village becomes Village once you discover it and start building. I also don't think we need to say "Deep Forest" for every time a Quest says to Search the Forest for _. I mean we can say up front that Forest refers to Deep Forest surrounding your main Village.
I didn't realize Kiwi had 18 names for everything. It's a good thing we're discussing all of this in a public forum. People that are really interested can come along and discover all of this and get a better understanding of where we all came from when naming everything. Plus, 50 years from now some poor kid is gonna find this game and want to know how to get more free Axes and find this Wiki and find this Forum Thread and be amazed at how difficult of time some poor fools had in the past in defining terms in the Wiki. ;oP
XD. Oh how we suffer for posterity. Anyways, I think we can explain about the various names on the main page for each Location, but for general use in quests and such we should make things simple and only use one term for each Location/Portal. I propose:
Sandy Beach / Sandy Portal
Snowy Hills / Snowy Portal
Spooky Woods / Spooky Portal.
This way, the only Forest commonly mentioned will be the main (Deep/Dark) Forest, and we maintain the '-y' ending for all three locations (if that makes sense).
I'd like us to consider changing the terminology that refers to Quests. In the game, a Quest is what we call a Phase on the Wiki, and a Series in the game is what we call a Quest on here. WB Wiki is in the process of going with the gaming terms. I'd like to do the same thing here. I think it's confusing for new people. Plus, I'm not even sure who came up with the idea of Phase/Quest. I know it will be a lot of work. I'm willing to work on it in my spare time. The easiest way to do it will be to copy from Source Mode and paste it into Word or Google Drive and use the Search/Replace feature, then move it back to Source Mode and publish.
On a side note, I believe we're to the point where we need to start archiving the current pages and start publishing the new pages in their place, renaming whatever needs to be renamed. There will be a lot of info we use from the old pages, but a lot of info needs to be changed and/or updated. If you agree, let me know on my Wall, or create new Forum Thread on the Editing the Wiki Board. Thanks for all the help and sorry I've been MIA so much, lately. I think I'm squared up now.
I am all for getting everything consistent with the whole Quest Series/Phase/Step kerfluffle. So, as I understand it: the wiki at present uses the terms Quest and Phase. None of us are entirely sure where the original wiki-ers got that from, but whatever. Current suggestion is to convert these to Series and Quest respectively.
Personally, I've been using Quest Series to refer to the whole, and Quest Step for the individual portions. For clarity, I propose we use "Quest Series" as opposed to just the word "Series." And I have no idea how I managed to completely forget this term in all of our previous discussions, but in place of Phase/Step/Quest what-have-you, how about Sub-Quest? That is, the Quest Series would be made up of several Sub-Quests. This would let us keep the word Quest, as is consistent with the game, but still let us make it clear what we mean by Quest, whether we're refering to a specific portion or the whole.
I hear what you're saying, but (LoL) in the game, the rewards screen says "Quest Complete" after you finish a step. I think we need to keep things as close to the game language as possible. You are right about the Quest Series title. That makes more sense. So from here on out, a Quest Series is made up of several Quests. Well, now, after seeing that and thinking about the game, it only says "Series: blah blah blah". I don't know. We'll have to Burning's opinion on this one. Maybe see what the WB Wiki comes up with. I'm 50/50 on the Quest Series term. I am for it in one thought and against in the next. LoL
Maybe just saying "Several Quests make up a Quest Series" would sound better. Putting it that way I'm for it. Need a 3rd opinion.
OK, I've never noticed this before. When there's an LE in your queue, but not activated yet, the window/box (whatever that is) calls it a "Limited Time Quest." Sticking to Kiwi's M.O., they have yet again called something one thing over here and something else over there. With that said, I believe Quest Series is the way to go for the terminology. As for LE's, I'm thinking Limited Edition Quest Series. That sound good to everybody else? SiBurning, we'd like to hear from you, too. Anyone else that wants to give their input, please do so. Thanks!
Seeing as the little banners read "Limited Edition," I'd say that's the term to go with. I also agree with Limited Edition (or LE) Quest Series, and suggest using LE Quest Structures as well. I'd say keep everything consistent with the Regular Quest Series terminology and formats aside from the Limited Edition lable. And of course the time frames of the LE Quest and cost to continue Expired ones. Other than that, they're pretty much the same as Regular Quest Series, right?
Aside from that, what are we using to help keep track of when Quest Series lead to other Quest Series? Would that be a Quest Line? In Westbound they have the Quest Series Tree, and we have the beginnings of something similar, but to me the Tree seems to encompass the whole of the Quest stuff, not the smaller portions, so we may need to figure that out as well. And I'm not sure if it's been discussed at all, but do we have a collective term for the little steps taken to complete the Quests within the Quest Series? If not, I suggest Tasks.
So, to simplify (XD), if we were to have a Quest Tree, it would branch into Quest Lines which are composed of a series of, um, Quest Series, each of which is composed of several Quests, each of which require one or more Tasks to completed. Does that make any sort of sense?
Edit 3: Just for the record, I wasn't suggesting changing the term to Limited Time. I was just pointing out how inconsistent Kiwi is, yet again. Heheh And yes, they're exactly like Regular Quest Series, only with time constraints. Makes perfect sense. The only problem I foresee is the Quest Tree. WB's Quest Series are systematically given in order, each depending on previous Series. BA is not like that at all. If anything, we would need multiple Quest Trees. The List of Quests page here has them divided by, what appears to be, theme. This is something SiBurning would have to look further into, but we definitely can't get away with just one Quest Tree. I created a table on the Glossary page if you want to start putting things in there. If there's something that we need to discuss in here, we'll have something to reference in the table. Edit: The table, as it is, is not the final version. I just wanted to get something on the page. It's meant to be a conversation starter, more than a finisher. The rate we're going we'll be defining terms til Christmas!
Tasks is a good term for those actions. Each Quest consists of 1-3 Tasks the player must complete in order to complete the Quest, advancing the Quest Series. We'll also need something for the 1 Quest... uh Quests. Technically a Quest Series is 2 or more Quests, so what should we call a one-off Quest? A lot of times those are triggered in the middle of Quest Series and just have you do the one thing. Sometimes, though, they can trigger one or more Quest Series. If I remember correctly, at least. It may just be the first one.
The Quest Series dependency should lead us back to which "theme" (for lack of better term) the Series belongs to. Unfortunately, that's something that can only be gotten from the db. Technically speaking, even the LE's depend on other Series, but they're almost always within the first few Series. I don't feel like typing Quest Series every time. LoL
2nd Edit: Only one person has voted on the Now or Tater page. There's a new LE out today. I'm getting ready to work on it, hoping to finish it before the time actually starts for most people. Whoever reads this, please vote on the page as soon as possible. Thanks!